Crowdfunding can be fun, but also risky for backers, especially when backing projects from startups. There are many such examples of projects gone bad, and last year we noted TAIHE Gemini portable display was another crowdfunding campaign gone wrong despite raising over one million dollars.
Today, I’d like to reiterate this warning with “Mi Mini PC“, a pocket-size Windows 10 Mobile PC that was introduced on Indiegogo and raised a cool 1.5 million dollars. Note that the “Mi” here is completely unrelated to Xiaomi, and the product was developed by a company with the now-unreachable mipcworld.com website.
There were early red flags shorting after the launch of the campaign with the developer making unrealistic claims about a free upgrade from Atom x7 to Core M3-7Y30, and no pictures of an actual prototype. But somebody just left a comment on the CNX Software article that there was still nothing.
So I had a look. The last update was in December 2018…
My naive self just thought “well, good that must mean the products were shipped after all”. But there’s currently an unusually large number of comments, precisely 8,931, and it’s not to proclaim how delighted people are with the product…
Among all the scam complaints, another commenter says it’s too late to claims a chargeback from the credit card issuer (in the US):
Time limits for Chargebacks for goods not delivered hasn’t changed. The limit of 540 days from the transaction date hasn’t been extended. This precludes anyone from requesting a Chargeback for this Scampaign if they haven’t already done so.
It’s also always tricky to get money back when multiple countries/parties are involved, in this case, the Hong Kong company, Indiegogo in the US, and the country of backers, as the legal expenses required would be much greater than the value of the products. So many of the”17,449 backers, if not most, will have simply lost their money.
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Oh wow, I’d totally forgotten those things existed! Searching for them now I can’t find any, instead mini PCs have no display.
Pipo was making something similar (not sure if they still do): PiPO X11 Mini PC TV Box 8.9 Inch 2GB 32GB Windows 10 & Android 5.1 Intel Cherry Trail Z8350 WiFi HDMI
Check the photos half way down on https://www.pipo-store.com/pipo-x11-mini-pc-tv-box.html
Ah I had hoped they’d advanced a bit since USB-C has become popular. For background I’m looking for a roughly phone-sized device that can operate standalone but with one USB-C cable hook up power, data and video to an external monitor. Ideally it should be x86 with windows 10 or linux and should have some beef to it (8GB RAM? Intel J4015?). This is all because I’m enjoying the convergence mode on my pinephone but wish it were a bit more stable, faster and had better software support.
Closest I’ve found can’t operate standalone e.g. lattepanda, udoo boards. I’m not sure the product exists.
This doesn’t meet your requirements, but:
https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/04/27/mele-quieter2-ultra-thin-fanless-mini-pc-intel-celeron-j4125-processor/
By standalone you mean it needs a small touch display on it? Like an RPi touch HAT slapped on an x86 Rock Pi X or something?
Similar scam:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/magicstick-most-powerful-pc-stick-8gb-ram#/comments
Yes – you beat me to to the Magic Stick…
Yeah, just like the Magic stick (also on Indigo).
lol I funded it
RIP in peace. Thank you for your service. 🙁
It’s been my experience that even when a crowdfunded project is delivered it’s always underwhelming, not necessarily bad just doesn’t live up to the hype.
How much longer is the Mi Mini PC campaign going to remain suspended and under review? These people clearly took the money and ran, there is nothing else to review, if you look at any of their socials or any of their websites they are all facades and I doubt the campaign organizers have used their real names. I have repeatedly attempted to contact Indiegogo over the past 6 years to try and get some resolution, and every single time, I swear to you, every single time that I reach out for help you guys either give me a canned response that the perks are not guaranteed, or you fail to even reply to my emails, and this has happened more than once. You’ll have to pardon my language but after 6 years of no updates and several years of this project remaining under review, I am extremely pissed. It really just seems like you guys are stalling and deflecting and hoping that everyone forgets about this trainwreck, which is a terrible business practice, and I will be reporting this incident to the Better Business Bureau as a result, and I will be spreading the word to every single person I meet who mentions indiegogo, cautioning them to never ever contribute to your campaigns for the rest of my days, unless I get some sort of resolution in a timely manner. This is absolutely unacceptable that you guys essentially facilitated a scam, unintentionally or otherwise, and even worse offered ZERO recourse for anyone who contributed to the campaign. You people need to listen and understand what is going on here, look at the comments section, everyone who contributed to this campaign has been a victim of a scam, and you guys haven’t lifted a single finger in 6 years to assist us with recouping our finances. No other business would be permitted to operate in this manner. What the actual fuck is taking so long with reviewing this campaign? I don’t have any faith at all that anybody has done or is doing anything about it. I no longer want the product as nothing was fulfilled in a timely manner by the campaign organizer, and I really need Indiegogo to listen and pay attention to me on this one, this was not a failure to provide a perk, this was a group of scammers taking 1.5 million dollars and running away with it. I want my money back. I demand the funds that I invested in this SCAM be returned to me or I WILL escalate this further. I am done with canned responses and notifications about indiegogo’s policies. These people vanished and Indiegogo did absolutely nothing about it, Indiegogo has failed to do anything at all to protect the consumer or adhere to its own terms. I am done being cordial, I want my fucking money back and I will continue to pursue this until I am refunded, whether or not Indiegogo decides to cooperate. Absolutely pitiful company, pitiful service, and I guarantee you you slimy fucking pricks won’t even respond to this email either. See you in hell!